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Old 28-08-2009, 18:02
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Edit: thread moved from columns to new(?) mentor forum, thanks admins <|;-)

For this new mentor program I thought I would make some educational/helpful vids of the little things that those in div2-4 may not think about. The most obvious of which is a demonstration of how to get to mid on badlands/gran in the least amount of time while taking the least amount of damage from rocket jumps.

With that in mind, I have made a 25 sec clip of badlands start with some uSeFul TiPs for those aspiring to improve their soldier abilities!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc8alcQvUjA

As Solus has cleverly pointed out, there are several scorch marks on the ground in this clip, giving evidence to the theory that I did not, in fact, do this sequence of rocket jumps in one attempt. This is true. I am VERY SORRY but I did in fact take several attempts to perform it perfectly for the purposes of recording this clip. Kill yourself Solus.

Having practically zero knowledge of the players, teams or general skill level in div2-4, I don't know whether such clips are useful or just common knowledge. (Although I'm yet to see any other soldiers in div1 do the bop thing up the stairs, so if I had to bet I'd say nobody in div2-4 is doing it either.)

I also made one of gran but it's much more basic (gran is easier) so I'm inclined to see whether people find this video helpful or merely patronising before posting more.
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haha solus

nice clip i've def been doing it the long way
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Old 28-08-2009, 18:23
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I hope you dont mind but i thought i'd answer some questions that some observent medics might have about that rollout.

arriving at mid with ~150hp applies to primary soldier only right? Its usually the secondary soldier who does the jump for the door and is generally fully buffed by the time he arrives?

for medics:
before you get out the gate, the demo should be fully buffed and primary should be getting close. buff scoots just as they run past you (they buff in ~1 second) and then pocket the secondary until mid where you then proceed to heal primary and demo back up
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Didn't realise you could do the bhop stairs thing as soldier, been doin' it as demo.
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Old 28-08-2009, 18:27
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OK i think i must have missed something but can't you only heal to ~300 hp as soldier? and why does the health indicator continue to decay below 200? The plus health indicator on the left seems to be accurate but the number indicator seems wrong.

Sorry if I missed something obvious :/
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Old 28-08-2009, 18:49
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arriving at mid with ~150hp applies to primary soldier only right? Its usually the secondary soldier who does the jump for the door and is generally fully buffed by the time he arrives?
yeah I don't think you can have both soldiers doing the jumps in this vid -- if the other soldier is taking the same route as the first then he would have to go slower in order to not miss heals

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OK i think i must have missed something but can't you only heal to ~300 hp as soldier? and why does the health indicator continue to decay below 200? The plus health indicator on the left seems to be accurate but the number indicator seems wrong.

Sorry if I missed something obvious :/
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If both soldiers follow your rollouts, the medic has a period of being targetless. A nice way of solving this on gran is to alternate the soldier rollout.

One soldier walks through house, and jumps on courtyard rollerdoor
Other soldier jumps off warehouse roller and walks through courtyard until the medic catches up

Medic has someone to heal in warehouse, and once the courtyard soldier jumps out of reach, the other one in courtyard will be in range. There are other ways of alternating it, but this one is a simple 1 jump difference.
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Didn't realise you could do the bhop stairs thing as soldier, been doin' it as demo.
god that stair jump looks so awesome. must have been hard to master, i suppose.
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Old 28-08-2009, 19:12
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If both soldiers follow your rollouts, the medic has a period of being targetless
is this referring to gran or badlands
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Old 28-08-2009, 19:13
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i wouldnt call it a bhop
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is this referring to gran or badlands
both, assuming that they are full speed rollouts

the medic will be too far behind in courtyard unless 1 soldier slows down or takes an alternate method

same with badlands, if both soldiers do the dropdown jump too fast, the medic will be targetless towards the end of the bridge and around the corner
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Old 28-08-2009, 19:24
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i wouldnt call it a bhop
It's a "bop".

Well done nesk! Those people reading must keep in mind there is much more to rollouts than getting there fast.

I'll be writing up a similar article sometime in the future for scout. Stay tuned.
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i wouldnt call it a bhop
DID YOU SEE AN "H" IN BOP I DIDN'T THINK SO
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Awesome to see these kinds of threads.

Thanks nesk - I suppose the best combination would be for primary to do these jumps, and for secondary to go along the top out of spawn so the medic has a target the whole way to mid?
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You should get to mid with enough HP to take an advantageous position, speed isn't the most important thing, but it helps. I do the bop as a demo, after seeing ryb do it. Didn't know it was possible for soldier, so thats nice to see
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Old 28-08-2009, 20:21
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I'll be writing up a similar article sometime in the future for scout. Stay tuned.
How to get to badlands mid with 125 hp, think some would appreciate.

(Yes Pick you spastic)

Cool idea guys, keep up the work.
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How to get to badlands mid with 125 hp
Wut?
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Old 28-08-2009, 20:28
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Awesome to see these kinds of threads.

Thanks nesk - I suppose the best combination would be for primary to do these jumps, and for secondary to go along the top out of spawn so the medic has a target the whole way to mid?
medic should be falling off and walking up the stairs
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Hm fair enough.

I remember from speccing the old Pandemic (with Reptile/The Fragile) that both soldiers usually used the top, but I haven't watched a US badlands demo since.
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I noticed bopping is a little easier after the last update (once they repaired it)
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Hm fair enough.

I remember from speccing the old Pandemic (with Reptile/The Fragile) that both soldiers usually used the top, but I haven't watched a US badlands demo since.
the first rj from spawn door down to the ground used to be significantly harder and hence most soldiers didn't/couldn't do it
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Nice good job.
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that second rj from the bottom of the stairs is deceptively hard to pull off consistantly, thanks for the vid nsk at least the community has a good reference for this now, salute
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Need more clips like this - a lot of people think things like this are common knowledge when they're not (or at least not to this level).
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boping is ramp sliding yes?(crouching when you get near top)
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yeah, because when you hit the top of the ramp you do a little bop and continue at the same speed.
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On badlands, whats your opinion on the secondary soldier doing that rollout and taking all the health packs as well as a buff at the start then primary/demo go through the bottom door and past spire on the left hand side.
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