ozfortress - team fortress 2 in australia

A user has been banned tonight from ozfortress servers until further notice for changing the server RCON passwords from those given out by the bot. Let this be a warning to any others who are changing RCON passwords. If you are caught, you will be banned.

Please report any incidents where you have noticed rcon being changed straight away (can be done in this thread or on IRC).

For reference, the rcon password was changed as an ozfortress admin (feresar) had joined the server and abused the right to obtain the rcon, then continued to 'shit talk' whilst in spec through Console. He was kicked and I changed the rcon, upon which he rejoined and I was kicked.

02/09/2013 - 20:25:13: abundans cautela non nocet connected
02/09/2013 - 20:36:13: Console: you have no power here paymhalf the pale
02/09/2013 - 20:38:40: Console: Hey paymh
02/09/2013 - 20:38:48: Console: whats it like still being div6 after two owls
02/09/2013 - 20:39:20: vsn.Polar : awaiting paymh response
02/09/2013 - 20:39:21: Console: cmon and type faster
02/09/2013 - 20:39:24: Ripper : attack
02/09/2013 - 20:39:25: Ripper : from spec
02/09/2013 - 20:39:28: Ripper : n1 idiot
02/09/2013 - 20:39:42: Console: nah my minions raping you good
02/09/2013 - 20:39:47: Ripper : what a joke feresar
02/09/2013 - 20:39:50: Console: didnt learn that from mge
02/09/2013 - 20:39:56: vsn.Polar : stahp feresar
02/09/2013 - 20:40:00: vsn.Polar : your hurting his feelings
02/09/2013 - 20:40:53: L 02/09/2013 - 21:31:56: "abundans cautela non nocet<46><STEAM_0:0:15426345><Spectator>" disconnected (reason "Kicked from server")
Dropped abundans cautela non nocet from server (Kicked from server)
02/09/2013 - 20:40:57: Ripper : cya fere
02/09/2013 - 20:41:12: Ripper : watch him go to the effort
02/09/2013 - 20:41:15: Ripper : of getting rcon
02/09/2013 - 20:41:34: buddah : hes just trolling you
02/09/2013 - 20:41:39: buddah : and youre taking the bait
02/09/2013 - 20:42:12: abundans cautela non nocet connected
02/09/2013 - 20:45:31: Disconnect: Kicked and banned.

If you ban people for an admin abusing their rights so be it.

If you read the post, you would notice you were banned for changing the rcon password. It is black and white.

Report admin abuse just like any other, dont be a fucking moron.

Did you not read my post at all. It is black and white.

Classic, great logic here.

I did, you come across as a moron. You changed the rcon password.

Ohh I understand, helping protect myself from an admin abusing their power, makes me a moron. Ok I think I understand.

Oh and also this isnt the first time this has happened (tommunist)

tommunist is not an admin

simply copy the log and report to another admin next time

dont fuck with our infrastructure please

I've not been made aware of a single instance of abuse. There are rules to the use of these servers. Changing the rcon password is forbidden. If you have issues with specific admins the processes have been set out to deal with such reports.

Can you work with me here to define 'abuse'. Because I class accessing rcon, joining someones server and talking shit through rcon as abuse.

google seems to agree here:
Verb
Use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse.
Noun
The improper use of something.

If I'm not mistaken access to rcon isn't granted to admins so they can join someone elses server and shit talk. Therefore classing as 'the improper use of something'.

Report it to another admin, with full logs.

tldr: don't change rcon and report admin abuse

nobody is disputing the alleged abuse paymh!!!
they're saying that you didn't report them through the proper channels!!!
that's how you do that!!!
and you don't change the rcon!!!
that's a rule you need to follow!!!

So mid way pug, I am meant to be like Ok, imma report this 4 eyed idiot abusing admin. I mean the pug was fucking horrid, but with the choices considered, 20 mins to report them, 2 secs to change rcon.

Fair enough, changing rcon is against the 'rules' but abusing admin is as well, no? I would like to see how this supposed admin is being dealt with.

FIGHT THE POWAH

ROW ROW

His being dealt with is an independent issue. It will certainly be discussed..

If you, as an employee, notice that a fellow employee is stealing from the workplace, do you change the locks yourself or report him to management?

cool lol

haha Tom!

but using your poor example - in this case it's not a fellow employee, it is the management that is stealing?? this is the point that Paymh is (rather ungainly) making
who is to say that he doesn't bring up the issue AFTER the incident? i'm sure many people in his position would have acted in the same way
if this isn't a common occurrence or the action of a repeat offender then you're not addressing the actual problem
you're crucifying the petty thief and letting the alleged felon go publicly unscathed

everyone knows RCON passwords are considered more sacred than any other text, including the Pentatauch

they are punishing an offender over a rule that has in recent times been very publicly and loudly decreed as something you just Do Not Do

the matter of feresar allegedly being abusive is a different matter entirely, and will be dealt with as such behind the scenes before making any sort of announcement, if they even do make an announcement

i assume

Everyone calm down. It's Saturday!

Paynh is in the wrong yes, but once again feresar proves he is the worst fucking admin of all times. As he abuses his powers and is useless in trying to help people.

cool man
differentiation and isolation of specific wrongdoings (especially in the context of administering justice) sounds plausible (actually not really it's stupid) but never happens in the real world

since OZF likes vomit analogies so much - do you think everyone who deliberately kills someone else is charged with murder? No, because circumstance and context plays a massive role. Hypothetically, do you think Paymh would have acted this way if not for the extenuating retardation? One thinks not.

happy Chinese New Year everyone

Not the best example, but I wasn't striving to be at my most eloquent.

As we understand (from a few sources), feresar intervened upon request from others who had complained that the accused was behaving in an abusive manner in chat prior to the start of the match. Both parties behaved in an immature fashion as is readily apparent from the chat log.

Were this the only issue, feresar would have been reprimanded and the accused cautioned as this behavior is, whilst not against any strict rules, clearly not in the best spirit. However, a rule that has been clearly defined and stated was broken, and this violation has been dealt with accordingly.

Any further discussion is superfluous.

not anymore dude

Happy chinese new year!

Agreed.
Red packets for all!