ozfortress - team fortress 2 in australia

Originally Posted by Ask A Question Forum

When is it a good position to buff scouts during free time aka round start.
On badlands i buff scouts before they go on the stairs, dont know if this is correct or not.
Anyway i was wondering when should a medic buff scouts on maps like bl, gran, freight?

Originally Posted by Bowt

it will depend on your spawn a bit but if you can buff scouts you can achieve a significant advantage if your scouts arrive to mid on 150hp and the other teams scouts are unbuffed.

You can workout the time to buff yourself - just do some rollouts with your teams scouts!

In pg days we had the most rediculous advantage with scout health and demoman speed that we could instantly win rollouts because the other teams scouts would play aggressive even tho their demoman was slower, were on 125 hp against scouts that were 150+ hp and could aim better. Sounds strange but I dont know many scouts who have even thought about that on badlands rollout and we are talking div1 scouts from every other team.

I used to think of badlands rollout initially as a bit of a duel between the demoman and scouts for elements of positioning and damage. The dynamics of rollouts on badlands have changed since then but having buff when you reach mid is important.

I think the medics healing on rollout can be so important and we put in alot of effort with it and it definately pays off

Originally Posted by No Mercy

Buffing scouts at the very start of the rollout is not worth it. Id be impressed if a medic even remembered to buff both soldiers before their first rocket jump, like on badlands, when the heal to 300 is pretty fast. A successful rollout by many international standards has 2 soldiers getting to middle with 300hp (unless theres a totally off medic bombing soldier). I doubt any team in Australia successfully rolls out under this criteria, and soldiers really need to think more about how they rollout within a team dynamic.

On rollouts themselves there's no golden answer ot buffing scouts, but as late as possible while within range is better. Obviously the later you leave it then they will be too far ahead of you. What you're doing on the stairs is fine. On granary often a passive left scout can wait for a buff once you get to mid, etc. Generally what i like to do is the first thing i do once reaching the middle is give the 1 close scout a good helping of heals so long as noone is in critical. Ideally they have taken no damage, but either way its gives them a chance to try and make a low risk prod at the cluster, or take a scout duel.

When deciding who to heal , remember that scouts are the fastest players and so can get back into fights or chase faster, and have 125hp to start. Think about total hitpoints pool when healing, not pool percentage full. So buff scouts first in free play ALWAYS. Most medics do not do this enough, and even worse ive regularly had to call scout to come for buffs when i slut medic. With this in mind buffing scouts in general play when they are on 125 hp is great because you can count on it likely being a fast heal.

A soldier needs heals fast the lower is hit points are, a scout is in many ways the reverse.

Try to not get into the habit though of compromising you own movement for them.

Originally Posted by hatchet

~not a mentor~
Jaeger/Creepin badlands rollout (medic pov) has some general tips - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCzCJcQjxPY

In media central (http://ozfortress.com/media/) you can see stv/povs from most of the div1 teams (and there should be some medic pov's as well if you want to compare).

Originally Posted by povohat

try and get your teammates to lane left or right at particular times depending on who needs the heal. eg: on granary during the rocket area after respawn door, demo stays left, everyone else right.

Originally Posted by eko

hahaha, scouts jumping to see demo oh god those were the days.

Originally Posted by Wackety

what?

scouts jumped so they didnt absorb rockets and prevent solds from freeze time jumps