ozfortress - team fortress 2 in australia

hatchet · #1 21-12-2011, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Ask A Question Forum

Hey,
I wanted to ask:

Viewmodels
Is there an actual difference between having different viewmodels?
I mean, I realise that (I think it's viewmodel_fov 70) appears longer on the HUD but does it offer any advantage?

Currently I have mine normal (viewmodel_fov 54).
Should I change them as they offer an advantage, or is it simply personal preference?

Scripts
I've seen them discussed over things such as jump servers.
What are scripts? How are they beneficial and how do you use them?
Cheers

hatchet · #2 21-12-2011, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Feresar

Its purely a placebo, some people have a longer one because they like it that way, others think of it as it helps them line shots up but in truth the size of it does not matter.

Scripts are complex commands set to keys designed to make life easier. Some benefial, some are just a waste of time.

hatchet · #3 21-12-2011, 18:22

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Originally Posted by No Mercy

Both parts of your question have the same answer. Various scripts to do any and everything, along with many other customizations including viewmodel fov are personal preference; by that i mean high level players will vary in what they do and dont use.

Specifically with the viewmodels, the main drawback with some of them is they fill up the screen reducing vision. Streching them out, or removing them entirely is one such solution.

Personally i like to run with my main weapon viewmodel removed so that i can have the best vision without risking accidently holding the wrong weapon.

Common scripts that people will use include:
- scripts to remove viewmodels, change crosshair shape and colour
- scripts that prevent non instantaneous direction changes or AWSD key presses.
- Add hitsound and on screen damage indicators.
- rocket jump scripts
- autoreload (now not needed)
- hotkeys for suiciding, forward spawning,
- mixing up the way you switch between weapons (i rewrote q to avoid melee, and use my mouse wheel for weapons switching etc)
- hotkey to bring up / down netgraph/fps meters, take screenshots, mm1 binds
- reduce graphical appearance for better fps/less clutter.

I would definietly recommend players looking into tweaking things so they like it better, however none of this stuff is essential, but things like on screen damage + hit sounds do give you a material advantage.

Obviously i am assuming you have tweak the advnaced tf2 settings as things like autoreload, 90 fov, hold for medic beam, no sniper rescope, minmode hud (or a custom one) should be always setup.

hatchet · #4 21-12-2011, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Yuki

Recommend no viewmodel as it really does free up your screen allowing you to use up the full fov without any of it being obstructed.

IF you're confused to what weapon you have out - look at ammo counter

foxy•Darien#c0g aka darienphoenix · #5 21-12-2011, 23:33

I'm really not a fan of the auto-medigun option, in my experience it adds a non-trivial delay when switching targets. Though I haven't tried it in over a year.

go!*Cole* aka geomanis · #6 21-12-2011, 23:40

Use whatever viewmodel you want, its up to your own preference. I've always used 70 viewmodel fov for everything. Scripts can help automate some things. They used to be prominent when auto-reload and pistol autofire wasn't part of the game naturally. Rocketjump, loadout switchers, chat binds and rate changing scripts are pretty common nowadays.

Fiddling with scripts and viewmodel_fov will not make you a better player, so its worth investing your time in other areas.

vR*No Mercy · #7 22-12-2011, 01:27

i was saying turn it off, automedic beam is not good

foxy•Darien#c0g aka darienphoenix · #8 22-12-2011, 02:45

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Originally Posted by No Mercy

i was saying turn it off, automedic beam is not good

Ah.

fzn aka influenza, smashee · #9 22-12-2011, 09:01

a crouch jump script would help.

DerHelo~ aka krisadaanderson · #10 22-12-2011, 13:13

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Originally Posted by influenza

a crouch jump script would help.

i use this because i'm on ausjump quite a bit and dont want to have a morbidly muscular left pinky.

foxy•Darien#c0g aka darienphoenix · #11 22-12-2011, 13:43

I use a RJ script (bind mouse2 "+jump; +duck; +attack1" iirc), but have never seen the need for a crouch jump script. Can someone explain what it's supposed to do? Are we talking a simple "crouch whenever jumping", or "spam crouch while jumping to mess with hitboxes"?

yuki.au aka Yuki · #12 22-12-2011, 17:47

Don't really use any scripts apart from one to have no crosshair on demoman and enable crosshair for every other class - i guess most of the non-trivial stuff for others has just become automated for me (crouchjump, rj, etc).

I think he just means a crouch-jump script that crouches THEN jumps (usually have to crouch then jump before doing some of the "harder" jumps as scout), probably the reverse for soldier/demo.

racSmithsonian aka Smithsonian, Smashsonian · #13 22-12-2011, 17:51

http://clugu.com/tf2mate/
A good way to set up graphics + viewmodels + binds + crosshairs.

foxy•Darien#c0g aka darienphoenix · #14 22-12-2011, 18:58

I should add that it's important to be able to rocket jump properly without a script - many jumps can't be done by relying just on a script.

go!*Cole* aka geomanis · #15 22-12-2011, 19:42

Yeah i've seen this argument before Darien lol. Scripts can automate things to give you a higher chance for doing things consistently, but they should not replace learning how to rocketjump correctly without a script.

NOSERMiicahthe team · #16 22-12-2011, 21:44

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Originally Posted by No Mercy

i was saying turn it off, automedic beam is not good

umm what? pls explain

decapfights for BLU aka decapitator, decap` · #17 22-12-2011, 21:48

have a script to turn on your viewmodel for melee weapons thats pretty useful

go!*Cole* aka geomanis · #18 22-12-2011, 22:00

@Miicah

It adds some delay for every time you swap targets. This can be critical in many situations because it means you take longer to change targets. If holding a mouse button down for 30 minutes is that straining...

foxy•Darien#c0g aka darienphoenix · #19 22-12-2011, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Miicah

umm what? pls explain

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Originally Posted by Darien

I'm really not a fan of the auto-medigun option, in my experience it adds a non-trivial delay when switching targets. Though I haven't tried it in over a year.

fzn aka influenza, smashee · #20 24-12-2011, 20:01

alias +crouch-jump "+jump; +duck;"
alias -crouch-jump "-jump; -duck;"
bind space +crouch-jump
This is what I also have in my autoexec.cfg

slam funk's lit aka RC Cruz, Cruz · #21 24-12-2011, 20:15

Povohat Shittalker Script is more or less an essential.

NOSERMiicahthe team · #22 24-12-2011, 21:08

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Originally Posted by geomanis

@Miicah

It adds some delay for every time you swap targets. This can be critical in many situations because it means you take longer to change targets. If holding a mouse button down for 30 minutes is that straining...

Well I found it a lot more relaxing playing med without having to worry about whether or not I had my mouse button held down, one less thing to think about I guess.

But now you've brought it up, I should give it a go.

DerHelo~ aka krisadaanderson · #23 24-12-2011, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Miicah

Well I found it a lot more relaxing playing med without having to worry about whether or not I had my mouse button held down, one less thing to think about I guess.

But now you've brought it up, I should give it a go.

i have a tendency to accidentally right click when playing without autoheal. i'm sure the team can deal with the split second delay between heals

GTVGreaver · #24 24-12-2011, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Smithsonian

http://clugu.com/tf2mate/
A good way to set up graphics + viewmodels + binds + crosshairs.

no no no that thing fucks up your base configs hard don't touch with a bargepole just learn to set things up manually

foxy•Darien#c0g aka darienphoenix · #25 25-12-2011, 01:45

Tf2mate is fine, it's what I based my config on.

You still need to understand how your config actually works, mind.

dogtime:wu · #26 26-12-2011, 11:41

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I mean, I realise that (I think it's viewmodel_fov 70) appears longer on the HUD but does it offer any advantage?

Lower viewmodel FOV means it takes up more of the screen to a point in terms of actual pixels. Then after a while it just starts to slide off the screen. For a long time I used viewmodel_fov 90 until in the end I just turned them off and haven't gone back since.

big noob --->Hawbagz<--- big noob aka Hawbagz, greenteck · #27 26-12-2011, 20:20

Re the problem of being unsure which weapon is out with no viewmodels, using different crosshairs for each weapon solved the rare instances of that problem for me.

wpdan aka DaN, pivot · #28 26-12-2011, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Greaver

no no no that thing fucks up your base configs hard don't touch with a bargepole just learn to set things up manually

Wut? It's fine, but you need to know your way around your configs regardless.

iMseekerintel aka Seeker · #29 27-12-2011, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Greaver

no no no that thing fucks up your base configs hard don't touch with a bargepole just learn to set things up manually

Only if you're trying to use existing configs together with it. You either need to let the tf2mate configs do everything or nothing.

*jump!*^DuF · #30 4-01-2012, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Darien

I'm really not a fan of the auto-medigun option, in my experience it adds a non-trivial delay when switching targets. Though I haven't tried it in over a year.

Interesting. I did not know this...

Though I never really gave it a chance after getting frustrated in a situation where my target was on cap and I wanted to remove uber from them while watching for any incoming peripheral damage + keeping uber on myself. So much easier to just take finger off m1.

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