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Open question, should the Primary soldier also use pain train?
or reworded, does the equalizer offer more beyond 1 player equipping it for rollout efficiency?


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hatchet edit: I created this thread from posts in the discussion on demoman/paintrain, to keep that thread on topic.

whip rollouts? :O thoughts on the whip? when it was first released we tried to use it but had little success, thats probably because we didnt think about what we were doing with it though.

i dont see how you can fail with it? whip demoman before he jumps, whip medic and soldier the rest of the way?

Whip was banned, but i found it was great on rollouts. Whip the medic to middle and you can beat your oppoenents without any health detriment by 3 seconds

whip makes it possible for a gru heavy to get to badlands mid 2 seconds before opposing pocket soldier

yeah na

Yeah that is pretty gay tbh.

Maybe Whip or GRU but not both would make things interesting.

the problem/upside of the whip is the boost it gives to rocket/sticky jumping, id guess around 1.5x stronger/faster

to answer your question, depends on playstyle of your primary. If he has a habit of overextending, or jumps away now and again for specific plays the equalizer helps him to get out if that goes wrong or he needs to get back to you quickly. If the above doesn't apply, then pain train all the way.

^ no

equalizer helps you get out of situations where you normally shouldn't have been able to. Also allows for some hilarious but clutch plays (see Vic in C4C2 final) and just makes some rollouts easier in terms of healing, or if you are bad at rocketjumping. In no way on a soldier should pain train be used over equalizer

Like yuki said, it's basic survival. It allows you to quickly get a hp and rejoin the battle with a quick buff. I would only sacrifice this for the whip

gravelpit attacking c, only time i'd ever consider pain-train.
otherwise a cheap badlands cp5 suicide cap.

equalizer !

The double capture speed that the Pain Train provides allows Soldiers to perform back-caps on unguarded capture points more effectively. This can be useful in forcing advancing enemies to abandon a push in order to save their besieged point. Soldiers using the Pain Train must be wary, however, as they become slightly more vulnerable Shotguns, Scatterguns, and Pistols.

A++++ would throw up again

Hmmmmm...

Man, paintrain is good in this one luck-based situation that makes it an incredible weapon.

what about on koth maps? (in regards to using the pain train).

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/So...The_Pain_Train

just for those who didnt catch it

Oh yeah, that's why I don't visit the wiki...

"The Eyelander is useful for a Demoman who expects to stay alive for a longer time."

ahahahaha

that's not an overly silly comment, no?

hahaha. Let the scouts do the capping, the little bitches are all addicted to cap points anyway.

didnt think of that

To be fair most of that seems to be written for highland-

Oh.

ory does some really cool stuff in some situations with pain train maybe see what he thinks

It's really situational, in almost all cases equalizer is better than the pain train however there are specific moments that the pain train can be really helpful, think of the pain train as you would a scout back capping. An example of it working for me:

Failing a push into granary last and re spawning early with pain train and telling my team my intentions. As enemy team pushes into mid with uber advantage I start back capping which will pull 1-2 players away, the other team sees 2x cap and assumes it's a scout (our 2nd scout hadn't revealed himself at mid yet) so the scout heading to stop the cap enters the point unsuspecting a soldier and entering a choke doorway and dying to rockets securing the point and player advantage.

The pain train is too specific to be used all the time and best used in set plays that you communicate with your team before hand.

have seen ory use it on last pushes as well very effectively

Aporia has used it also on and off for quite a while but he sucks so wutevs lol xD